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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffsuspect Date: Jan 6, 2006 12:17am
Forum: etree Subject: Mac users - playback options?

Hey there Mac users. I'm a Windows guy trying to help a Mac guy figure out what to do when trying to playback flac and shn files on a mac! I'm having a hard time figuring out what to tell him. I've directed him to convert using xACT but I've got no other options. Any help?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffgreenone Date: Jan 6, 2006 12:33am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Mac users - playback options?

The answer is simple - Cog.
http://cogosx.sourceforge.net

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Poster: solomons Date: Jan 6, 2006 3:30am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Mac users - playback options?

If they would rather use iTunes:

download xACT:

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/21952

It is a simple drap & drop app. Drag FLAC/SHN files into window to convert to either AIFF or Wave files.

Open in iTunes and convert to whatever format they like.

I've been converting all live shows to apple lossless. The file size is much larger than MP3s (even with higher bit rates), but half the size the size of AIFF/Waves.

The sound quality is much better than MP3 and not much less than AIFF/Waves. I've also found that the equalizer setting "acoustic" is working great for a lot of shows.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffgreenone Date: Jan 6, 2006 5:58am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Mac users - playback options?

The sound quality is much better than MP3 and not much less than AIFF/Waves.

I admit I've never heard it myself, but...why would Apple Lossless have any less quality than aiff/wav? It's...lossless. Did you mean AAC?

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Poster: solomons Date: Jan 6, 2006 12:13pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Mac users - playback options?

I know what "they" say, but I feel from converting files - anytime you convert and "save as", there is a loss of quality. This pertains to all file formats, sound or image. If you continually resave a MP3, JPG or TIFF w/ compression on, each time you save, you decrease the quality.

What I was saying and maybe wasn't clear is that apple lossess takes-up about half the space of AIFF/Wave (A/W) files and there is little or no loss of quality from the FLAC/SHN (F/S) > A/W > MP4.

If you save a F/S file as an MP3, no matter what compression you use, there is a loss of quality. While listening w/ headphones you can really hear the difference, specially w/ live recordings. I have had good luck saving commercially recorded material as MP3, but I use a stereo bit rate of at least 224 kbps.

As for the response below, Apple likes to keep as much as possible as "intellectual property". Apple's history is filled w/ many examples of positive and negatives. In this case, I feel that Apple should enable iTunes to "read" F/S files, if you do also go to:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/

This link works for all of Mac's products.

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Poster: Njff Date: Jan 6, 2006 7:20am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Mac users - playback options?

If you just want to listen to FLAC or SHN files on your Mac, download Cog from VersionTracker or MacUpdate: no file conversion necessary. If you want to play SHN or FLAC files within iTunes or on your iPod, you'll have to de-compress the files to AIFF or WAV (which are data-equivalent, just different formats). iTunes will play the AIFF/WAVs themselves, produce lossy deriviatives like MP3s or AACs (I don't think iTunes or iPod support Ogg, but I've heard there may be a plug-in available), or compress to Apple Lossless format.

Apple Lossless format is a lossless compression scheme like FLAC and SHN. In principle, you should be able to convert FLAC or SHN to WAV or AIFF to Apple Lossless without any loss of data. iTunes does not presently support FLAC or SHN. It does support Apple Lossless as a functional equivalent, allowing you to play CD-quality files while saving disk space.

Apple claims that it doesn't see a need to support FLAC or SHN in iTunes because consumers aren't requesting such support. In fact, the real reason is probably DRM-related. Apple Lossless format supports Apple's "FairPlay" DRM. This means that commercial vendors can sell tracks in Apple Lossless format (rather than MP3 or AAC) with all the copy restrictions that affect any other file purchased from the iTunes Store. Files that you convert to Apple Lossless yourself are not copy-protected (it's just like the difference between MP3s you rip yourself and MP3s you buy from the iTunes Store).

There's no particularly good reason to use Apple Lossless other than iTunes/iPod compatibility. Some comparative performance data here:

http://flac.sourceforge.net/comparison.html

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Jan 6, 2006 9:36pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Mac users - playback options?

"Feeling" doesn't come into play. It's just mathematics. Lossless means you really can interchange between wave file> lossless compression scheme> the demonstrably, exact same wave information.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2006-01-07 05:36:13

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Poster: solomons Date: Jan 7, 2006 3:55am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Mac users - playback options?

Sorry for the poor choice of words.

I know that the more times you re-save any file format w/ any form of compression there is a loss of quality.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Jan 8, 2006 6:19am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Mac users - playback options?

Again, this is not true of losslessly compressed files. You may know that, but it's good to make it clear for readers here since we have so many losslessly compressed files here. No worries about saving them!

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Poster: sonomajon Date: Jan 7, 2006 1:16am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Mac users - playback options?

Diane,

I am having a problem playing downloaded vbr mp3 files in my itunes...this is new and hasn't happened before...have downloaded with no prob;ems for the past year...i 'm on a mac with os x...after downloading i can import just fine into itunes but the song will not play...automatically jumps to the next tune in my playlist?!!..seems to happen with individual songs and NOT with whole shows...any help or direction would be greatly appreciated

thank you,

jon